Lots of other sub bloggers have been writing about the 'illusion' of slavery and D/s relationships recently, kicked off i believe by kaya's sudden and surprising post that she and her Master had stopped being M/s due to her discovering a hard limit that she would not go against for Him. If you read kaya's blog you'll know that the situation is more complex than that, but it did start off an interesting chain-reaction among other bloggers, with lots of subs seeming to be of the opinion that if a 'solid' BDSM relationship like kaya's and her Master's could suddenly fall apart over one issue, then surely so could anyone's and therefore the fundations of D/s relationships in general are based on illusion and only work so long as both people keep investing in that pretence. i have been mulling this whole issue over for a while, and feel ready to post my own opinion on it now:
Firstly i don't go along with the whole 'illusion' idea. What me and Sir have is a relationship choice, structured the way we want it, and yes we both have to keep up our roles in it in order to make it work, but that doesn't make it an illusion. We both know that the D/s will only work so long as we keep to our sides of the bargain and act towards each other in the ways we have agreed, but surely that's the same for any relationship? In a traditional vanilla marriage, the man and woman make an agreement about how they will treat each other and there is a shared understanding about what being married means (normally things like being monogonous and not having sex with/kissing/flirting with other people, etc, etc.) But there is actually nothing to stop one or other of the people going against that agreement and suddenly deciding to sleep around with whoever they feel like. In most cases that would destroy the relationship, but it doesn't mean that marriage itself is an illusion, only existing as long as both people keep up the pretence and act in certain pre-agreed ways, it just means that there is a 'contract' that they agreed to, which if broken threatens the entire basis of the relationship. The same as in a D/s relationship, though the terms of the 'contract' there may be very different.
And when you come to think of it, the way society functions in general is based on agreements between people on how they will act towards each other, and what roles people will play in each 'relationship' - be that employee and boss, mother and daughter, teacher and student, doctor and patient. It doesn't mean that any of those relationships are an illusion, it just means that all relationships depend by their very nature on the participants behaving in an agreed fashion and adhering to prescribed roles. Any deviance from those roles makes the relationship break down and cease to function. And sometimes that is done on purpose, and sometimes not, just as in BDSM dynamics. Sometimes people decide they don't want to be in that relationship anymore, and sometimes they realise that type of relationship is not for them - but that's definitely not exclusive to D/s relationships, it happens with every type of human relationship in general. So i don't go along with the BDSM illusion thing, unless people also accept that all ways of relating to each other are also based on the same type of illusion.
That's just my take on it, but it makes sense to me - i'd welcome any comments people might have, though.
7 comments:
Excellent posting libby. You've managed to put into words what I think several of us have struggled with. You are right, we all enter into agreements, spoken and unspoken, when we enter into the different relationships in our lives.
6:54 PMI can think of friendships where those agreements were breached and where each of us felt our worlds rocked a little. When we could move past that, the friendships continued, when we couldn't, we went our separate ways. People continue to get to know each other every day within their relationships. Sometimes we move in different directions, sometimes things crop up which neither could have foreseen.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts libby....very insightful.
gentle hugs from M:e
I totally agree with everything you said, very well put.
10:01 PMVery nice post, libby...i had a rather visceral reaction also when i read kaya's post. i think many of us have kinda looked at her as an oracle of slavery, if you will.
2:38 PMJust like this post, her's had me thinking for awhile. Contracts are made and broken everyday. As in kaya's situation, most often they are mended with love, understanding, forgiveness and commitment. i do not think by both of U/us fully knowing and understanding that either of U/us could choose to withdraw consent it damages the M/s relationship between U/us. If anything, i feel it makes it stronger. MJ knows i kneel before Him because i wish to be Owned by Him...not out of weakness or fear. As W/we have both come to understand this better, O/our interactions have moved toward a fuller integration of slavery into all aspects of both of O/our lives.
Choosing to live as a slave in no way means slavery is an illusion any more than having a defiant child makes one less of a parent. The bonds between Master and slave must become strong enough to weather what life throws at U/us if we hope to long endure as One.
Spit Happens...as i am sure you are learning, libby! Best wishes to you and yours..i hope you are feeling a bit better everyday and enjoying this time with your little one...it goes all to quickly!
MJ's slave nik
glad that post made sense to others, not just me :)
5:56 PMlibby
xxxxx
i concur everything you said.
3:05 PMi tried writing about the same thing but yours was more eloquent.
i am glad you are feeling better :)
happy holidays to you & your family!!!
I did a blog piece stating that the illusion or rather delusion is that those touting they are internally enslaved, and that they are completely under their owner's control. Not saying that their relationship is an illusion.
4:13 AMThe delusion is that that control gets to a point that it will eventually override our own will. Kaya's case proved this illusion to be false.
It's the whole IE theory that goes flat in a situation such as Kaya's. Internal enslavement is an illusion. It goes only so far; eventually a hard limit pops up out of nowhere, smacking you right between the eyes.
thanks for the comment playtoyspuppy, glad you can leave comments again!
5:14 PMi found your comment interesting, doubleknot,cos i hadn't realised before that some of the other blog posts had been about the whole TPE thing and whether that is an illusion or not. i think i'm going to have to do some more reflecting on this and get back to you....
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